Friday, October 26, 2018

CEO SPECIAL.. From start-up to scale: A conversation with Box CEO Aaron Levie PART III


From start-up to scale: A conversation with Box CEO Aaron Levie PART III

Simon London:So just get a little more specific, if you don’t mind, about AI, machine learning. There’s a lot of hand waving about it. I know you’ve started to build this into the product and platform already. But what’s it going to allow the product and the platform to do that it doesn’t do today?
Aaron Levie:Box stores tens of billions of files, hundreds of petabytes of data. Most of that information is relatively unstructured. So you take a Word document, or an image, or a video, and you store it in Box. You share it with somebody. But it’s a relatively closed, contained object that we and you don’t know much about at an abstract level. You can look at your file, but you don’t know the essence of the data.
Simon London:No, you don’t know what’s in there, apart from the file name.
Aaron Levie:Exactly.
Simon London:Usually. It could be anything.
Aaron Levie:Exactly. And so you have to go and read it manually to know what’s going on inside that piece of content. The power of AI is that you can extract information and data from the content itself. If you take an image that a CPG [consumer packaged goods] company has of a new product, you would be able to extract what the objects are in that image. So what are all the product names? What SKU number is it? And be able to take that information.
If you were a bank and you had a customer record or a contract, you’d be able to pull out all of the important data about that contract from that customer. So the power of AI is that you can begin to create structure and context from all of your information. And then the question is, what could you do with that? Can I automate business processes based on different rules? As certain images come into the system, I want to be able to route those images to the right person to approve them or review them.
I want to be able to automate an insurance-claims process by taking in all of the video or an image from an insurance adjuster or from the consumer themselves and automate that entire process. Or, going as far into some of the more mission-critical aspects of it, I want to be able to understand how my data’s being shared, because there might be security events that are happening where somebody’s sharing a previously unknown-to-be-confidential document, but with AI, I now know that there’s confidential information inside that document. That person’s sharing it with somebody that they’re not supposed to be. I can now alert the security team or block that off.
Simon London:So it’s things like optical character recognition, image recognition, basically creating this sort of metadata layer that’s autogenerated. And then, as you say, what can you do with that?
Aaron Levie:Natural-language processing.
Simon London:Natural-language processing. And then can you start to trigger automated business processes as the information moves through the system?
Aaron Levie:That’s exactly the vision. So take a whole bunch of work flows that were either being done in a highly manual way or never being done at all, because they would be cost prohibitive to do. And begin to take the power of AI, structure your information, and then begin to automate those processes. Again, everything in a healthcare-delivery process to an insurance-claims process to a digital-asset-management-review process for a CPG company, that’s how we are approaching AI.
But I think the exciting thing is to start to think through all of the tasks that we spend time on inside of a workplace that you just know a computer could do better. A computer can connect the dots between our collective calendars way faster than we can. A computer can connect the dots between different information systems much faster than we can as we’re searching for data.
Why does it takes us hours just to be able to pull up the latest business results when we’re looking for our Q2 [second quarter] business performance? Why can’t I just ask a question to Siri and say, “What was our revenue in Q2?” and it spits out the answer? We know that computers can do these things, there just has never been elegant software to be able to connect it all together and deliver that from a user-experience standpoint.
These are the things that we see as being incredibly exciting about where AI is going in the workplace. Then we want to begin to make sure that we can spend our time on the areas that humans are, frankly, way better at than computers and are the more fulfilling parts of our job: the creative tasks, the tasks where we’re collaborating with other people, where we’re creating new products and ideas and not just searching for information or doing things that computers are going to be way better at.
Simon London:Let’s go back to the question I asked around big technology trends and moments being on the right side of history. Building all of these things into the product: These are your bets to be on the right side of history when it comes to AI, right?
Aaron Levie:Correct. We feel like the way that we are going to manage, share, and collaborate our information in three, or five, or ten years from now is going to look unbelievably different than how it has in the past. And AI is going to be at the center of that.
Simon London:The other interesting thing, looking at your AI strategy, is, you’re working with Google. You’re working with IBM. You’re working with Amazon. You’re working with just about everybody, right?
Aaron Levie:Yeah.
Simon London:That raises a question about ecosystems, which again is something that you’ve written about. Just talk to me about ecosystem strategy.
Aaron Levie:This is one of the areas that, especially for a lot of incumbent companies, whether they’re in software or whether they’re not digital, companies are going through this evolution. In a world of platforms, you need to interoperate with other platforms. Furthermore, in a world where we are still relatively early on this journey of digitizing the globe, and all of our businesses, how everything around the world works, we’re in a world of non-zero-sum gains and growth in so many different spaces, which means that you have a lot less time to compete. You have to start to collaborate to go after these markets. And so a lot of incumbents are realizing that the competitors that they once had are now going to be their partners in this new era. Because there’s simply no way for any one company to deliver an innovation to solve all of the world’s problems, because of just how much growth and how much opportunity there is.
So our approach to this is no different, which is to say, we are going to be, hopefully, the world’s best product and company at managing, structuring, organizing, and securing information. But it turns out that Google has more engineers than us. And it turns out that they’re going to be spending billions of dollars every year on AI. And IBM is going to be spending billions of dollars every year on AI.
Why would we want to be in a world where we are trying to compete with those players and their R&D budgets, in a space where they’re going to do unbelievably well, instead of flipping the model on its head and taking all of the strength of their technologies and letting our customers leverage those capabilities? That’s the architecture that we’ve built.
The idea is to take advantage of all the unbelievable innovation happening in AI and to start to incorporate and include that in Box, so that customers can turn on any of those services for all of the data that they have inside their platform. It’s not natural for a lot of organizations to be so open and so dependent on other companies and on an ecosystem for their strategy. For us, we were, as you mentioned earlier, born into this new way.
We were born on the right side of this era of ecosystems, and interoperability, and integrations. The kinds of companies, again, whether they’re digital or not digital, that think that they’re going to somehow be able to build all of the technology themselves, they’re going to control all of the architecture themselves, that is a fool’s errand in the digital age. The amount of innovation that is happening from so many companies—if you can’t take advantage of all of that and allow all of that to become a tail wind for your strategy, then you’re just not going to be able to compete with the companies that do take advantage of that. You see some of companies these days that say, “Hey, I really want to move to the cloud, but the best cloud-computing provider might be one of my competitors.” That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t leverage their technology. They’re going to compete with you whether you like it or not.
One of the most profound examples of this is Netflix, where they run primarily on Amazon web servers. Amazon is one of their most significant competitors, but that didn’t change the fact that architecturally, Amazon is the better cloud-computing provider. That has no bearing on how they’re going to compete with Amazon, which is on a completely different part of their business.
That ability to say, “OK, we’re going to compete in one area; we’re going to complement each other and partner in another area” is what we see as the way organizations are going to have to operate in the digital age, because of how interdependent all of our technologies and all of our products are.
Simon London:Before we run out of time, I want to talk a little bit about business. I also read somewhere that every year you reread Clayton M. Christensen’s book Innovator’s Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail (Harvard Business Review Press, 1997). Is that true?
Aaron Levie:I don’t know if I’ve kept up with it every year. For the sake of accuracy, I would say it is not true. However, more or less, every couple of years, I reread it as a reminder about, again, how important these moments are when you’re thinking through, is that a competitor that’s coming up behind you, is that an actual disruptive threat, or is more of a sustaining innovation that you’re going to be able to adapt to?
Is there something that you’re not responding to in the market because your organization finds it unattractive to respond to that thing? Or are we just not moving fast enough? These are fundamental decisions that teach you when you are at risk of being disrupted. But then, conversely, are there areas where you can be more disruptive to competition? And how do you take advantage of that? That’s why I think it’s always important to be grounded in the core of Innovator’s Dilemma and why it matters.
Simon London:I think it’s a massively wise book. Over the years, Clay and the book have taken a lot of stick because people throw around “disruption” as a buzzword. But actually, if you really read it, particularly the tensions inside companies, smart people in companies often fail at this.
Aaron Levie:I would say 98 percent of the time.
Simon London:And it’s not because they’re stupid or they didn’t see it coming. It’s all to do with incentives, and processes, and how you navigate it.
Aaron Levie:That’s exactly right. It’s funny, because being a digitally born company, you’d think you would know how to avoid this type of issue from happening in your company. But I see it every day, where you can just start to subtly see how one organization’s, or an entire business’s, incentive model is built around something that is now going to leave us in a position to be flanked in one particular area.
How do you mitigate that preemptively, before maybe even the competition arrives in terms of attacking you in that area? But it’s all people. It’s all organization. It’s all how people are incentivized. What are people’s goals? The best position to be in is where you’re using Innovator’s Dilemma as an offensive technique to be able to be disruptive in other markets. But at a minimum, understanding it so deeply [helps you understand] why people are not responding to disruptive threats in their organization. And how you make sure that you can avoid that, from a defensive measure, is also equally important.
Simon London:Well, thank you. This was a wonderfully nerdy, pleasurable conversation.
Aaron Levie:Thank you. Hopefully we don’t lose too many people in your audience after this one. I don’t want the podcast-subscriber count to drop after this.
Simon London:No, this is in our sweet spot. This is great stuff.
Aaron Levie:OK, cool.
Simon London:So Aaron Levie, thank you very much.
Aaron Levie:Thanks a lot. Really good to be on.
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