Wednesday, October 24, 2018

CEO SPECIAL ....From start-up to scale: A conversation with Box CEO Aaron Levie PART I


From start-up to scale: A conversation with Box CEO Aaron Levie PART I

The cloud-service cofounder and CEO talks about innovation, disruption, and harnessing the next big thing.
In the McKinsey Podcast, Box CEO Aaron Levie speaks with McKinsey’s Simon London about scaling the cloud-storage company, driving business growth while focusing on continuous innovation, and how artificial intelligence (AI) will factor into the company’s future.
Podcast transcript
Simon London:Hello, and welcome to this edition of the McKinsey Podcast, with me, Simon London. Our guest today is in some ways the archetypal Silicon Valley mogul. Aaron Levie cofounded Box while still an undergraduate and left his studies behind to focus on building the cloud-storage company. He talks fast, favors sneakers over highly polished oxfords, and now leads an organization valued at more than $3 billion. And yet, at college, Aaron was a student of business, not computer science. He’s an avid reader of business books, thinks deeply about strategy and organization, and, as we’ll hear, is interested not only in the future of technology but also in the future of management. So without further ado, fasten your seat belts for this conversation with Box CEO Aaron Levie. Aaron, thanks for doing this.
Aaron Levie:Thanks for having me. Really exciting.
Simon London:If you don’t mind, I’m going to ask, for people who might not know the company, just give us the story right from the very beginning. What’s the origin story? And take us through where you are today.
Aaron Levie:We started Box in 2005. We were sophomores in college, and we had this idea that it should be really, really easy to be able to share and access files from anywhere. It was a very basic idea. We launched this product. Eventually we got really lucky and got some early venture capital from Mark Cuban. That compelled us to drop out of college.
So we dropped out of college. We moved to Silicon Valley. As we thought about what we wanted to build as a company and as we wanted to scale the business, we decided to focus 100 percent on the enterprise market. Since 2007, we’ve been 100 percent focused on helping businesses securely manage, share, collaborate, and organize their critical information in the cloud.
We help companies manage everything: their financial documents, their media content, their marketing presentations, collaboration with ad agencies, collaboration with clients. We work with 85,000 customers globally, including about 70 percent of the Fortune 500.
Simon London:Employees now?
Aaron Levie:We have about 1,900 employees.
Simon London:And revenue this year is?
Aaron Levie:Last year, we did a little over $500 million in revenue. And this year, we’ve guided to about a little over $600 million in revenue.
Simon London:Thank you for that. The obvious follow-up question is: Along that journey, what have you learned about scaling a software company? Because that has special characteristics—but then maybe after that, just generalize a little advice to people who are on this journey.
You have to be nimble enough, you have to be agile enough, as new information is coming in, to constantly be evolving.
Aaron Levie:We’ve certainly learned a whole bunch of things not to do over the years. We’ve made our fair share of mistakes. The thing that has worked incredibly well is having a long-term vision for where you’re going.
There are so many things that have the potential to veer you off course. If you are not really, really sure of what you’re trying to do over the long run, like a ten-plus year vision, it is so easy to go off course. We were fortunate. Very early on, we had this vision, which was, we saw that everybody’s work style was going to be changing in the future. Every company was going to have to change the way they collaborated, the way they shared, the way they fundamentally ran their businesses. That was going to lead people to having to use the cloud to work and manage their data. And we were building an architecture and a strategy and a technology that could lead toward that vision of the future.
Simon London:And you were not afraid to pivot early on, right? So it’s not like you locked in too early.
Aaron Levie:No, we had a lot of flexibility early on. Probably too much. In the first year and a half of the company, I would say every 48 hours we’d change our business model. The way it would work is, we had four founders of the company, including myself, and what would happen was, if you went to bed too early one night, you were at risk of waking up and learning that the business model had changed.
There was a lot of early constant iterating, constant pivoting of the business. That became one of our core values as a company. We have seven core values that we really live by. And one of them is take risks, fail fast, and get shit done. The emphasis there being fail fast. The moment that we get information that we feel is going to be critical, we will make decisions rapidly on that. That has been built now into the culture of building an organization where you’re constantly iterating and you’re constantly testing ideas. You have to make sure that they line up against the long-term vision. But you have to be nimble enough, you have to be agile enough, as new information is coming in, to be able to constantly be evolving and veering the company in just slightly new directions.
That has stuck with us for a long time. There’s been a lot of near-death decisions and moments as a company where if we had gone a different direction, we’d be in a very different spot. One of those was the fundamental business model of focusing on the enterprise.
Simon London:It feels like you—very successfully as it turned out—decided to go for growth and to double down on growth. You wrote quite an interesting HBR piece about returns to scale. Do you just want to talk about that and the moments when you had to decide, “Do we double down on growth? Or do we start running the business for profitability and cash?”
Aaron Levie:Tell me if I’m wrong. I think you guys wrote a piece called, “Grow fast or die slow.”
Simon London:That’s it.
Aaron Levie:OK, good. Did I do a good plug just now?
Simon London:That was perfect.
Aaron Levie:Great. OK. It’s completely true in the software world where in some cases you have strong network effects. In other cases, the economies of scale you get by building software are obviously massive. There’s a premium—an orders-of-magnitude premium—on the companies that are number one or number two in their market relative to three, four, five, and so on.
So that means you really have to make sure you’re building for scale. The moment you believe that your product has product market fit and it’s working for customers, you’re pretty incentivized to growing as quickly as humanly possible . We felt that moment in probably 2009, 2010 where, for the first time ever, large enterprises were saying, “OK, we’re fine with cloud. We think this is a more secure, safer way to do our work.”
The moment that we started seeing and experiencing that, and we saw that there were a bunch of tail winds that were driving our growth—things like mobile, cloud computing being adopted in the enterprise—we said, “OK, we’re going to now bet the whole business on growing as quickly as possible.” That was when we raised a few hundred million dollars over the subsequent few years because we had to make sure we were building up the technology team, the sales force, the go-to-market engine to reach every customer possible. We knew that this was a market that was going to be defined by the company that could have 90 percent of the large enterprises on the planet using their technology versus if you only had 10 or 15 percent of the enterprises.
Simon London:Presumably to pursue that strategy, you need to be very aligned with your investors.
Aaron Levie:Extremely.
Simon London:Because those are big bets. Did you need to reset with the original investors and say, “OK, maybe you thought you were going to start seeing some cash positive.”
Aaron Levie:I feel bad for our early investors because, I think from 2006 to 2012, I’m almost positive we pitched each subsequent investor on, “This is the round where we get to cash-flow positive.” We genuinely thought that was what was going to happen, and then what would happen is, our growth rate would exceed our expectations.
Or you just knew that with one more concentric circle of investment from where we were, we could grow even faster. That led everybody to conclude, including our early investors, that it was time to raise more capital and invest more in growth. Where start-ups get this wrong a lot is the sequence that is so fundamental. You have to make sure the product is working and that the customers want the product. Then you invest. A lot of start-up founders, VCs [venture capitalists], think that somehow you can buy your way to that, and you almost overfund your product development to the point where you might spend $10 million, $20 million, $50 million, $100 million just on building product well before the market actually even is interested in what you’re creating. And that’s where it’s really risky.
We were fortunate. We started the company with $15,000. We spent a total of $15,000 and proved that people wanted what we were building. That was in the consumer space. But then it only took a couple million more to prove that enterprises wanted what we had. From that point forward, just scaling. It’s really dangerous to start to prematurely scale using venture capital if you haven’t proved that your product both can scale, but then also the economics of the product actually make sense at scale.
Simon London:The interesting question is, to what extent is that specific to software, internet, and cloud businesses? It sounds quite dangerous, generalizable advice to a company making and selling shoes.
Aaron Levie:Oh, totally. The massive caveat should be, only take this advice if you have a recurring-revenue business where each customer you acquire is likely going to be with you for a long time and there are network effects. Certainly, if you’re selling a product on a one-off basis, no amount of scale is going to help if you have bad unit economics. You’re just now going to have bad unit economics at scale. It’s really hard to make a profit if each product that you’re selling is unprofitable, so it is pretty unique to software.
Simon London:The other thing that strikes me is, there’s a big debate about short term-ism and how providers of capital are too short term. But you didn’t show positive cash flow until how many years after the founding?
Aaron Levie:It’s too scary to talk about. But probably about 11 years.
Simon London:Right. And that’s really interesting.
Aaron Levie:Our most cash-flow-positive months were month one and month 137 or something.
CONTINUES IN PART II

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