Black Business Leader : Oprah’s Path to Authentic Leadership
Oprah Winfrey believes in sharing the experiences that led her
to become the wealthiest woman in the entertainment industry and the first
African American woman billionaire. Professor Bill George traces her growth
from childhood, focusing on how and when she discovered her true voice and how
that authenticity spurred her career success.
Brian Kenny: See if you can name this person. North
America's first multibillionaire black person and the greatest black
philanthropist in American history. Serial entrepreneur who combined business
savvy with showmanship to revolutionize an entire industry. Recipient of the
Presidential Medal of Freedom and honorary doctorates from Harvard and Duke.
Author, publisher, Oscar nominee, but before all of that, rural Mississippian,
born to an unmarried teenage mother, who endured poverty, abuse, and prejudice
in the deep South. This is a true rags-to-riches tale about a person known and admired
throughout the world by one name only: Oprah.
Today, we'll hear from Professor Bill George about his case
entitled, Oprah!I'm your host, Brian Kenny, and you're listening to Cold Call.
Bill George is an expert on leadership, a topic that he teaches and writes
about extensively, including numerous books, articles, and business cases.
Bill, thanks for joining us today.
Bill George: Thank you, Brian.
Kenny: I'm going to ask you to start by stating the
obvious. Who's the protagonist in this case and what's on her mind?
George: Oprah Winfrey, and what's on her mind is being
responsible for your life and how you use your crucible for personal growth to
achieve a great life.
Kenny: What prompted you to write this case?
George: Well, I was writing my book Discovering Your
True North, and we had a section on crucibles and it seemed this captured it
perfectly. And I had a chance to interview Oprah over dinner in 2005 at the
Nobel Peace Prize ceremonies.
Kenny: Wow.
George: It was a rather unique opportunity to spend three
hours alone with her. Photographers were coming by and snapping photographs.
She didn't even look up for them, and she wanted to tell me her whole story,
going all the way back to her childhood, all the way to the fact that she had
chartered an airplane filled with books to take to Africa, where she had
started a home or a school for children and had spent 30 million of her own
money.
Kenny: When you talk about a crucible, can you put a
definition on that? What do you mean by a crucible?
George: Crucible is that really difficult time in your
life, when you come face-to-face with who you are at your most basic form, the
things that are really important in your life, but you only discover it when
you're faced with existential questions like, "Who am I? What's the
purpose of my life? Why am I here?"
Kenny: Let's talk about Oprah's past. I'm sure everybody
would love to hear what she was like over dinner and I'm sure she was lovely,
but probably also a little intense, given her stature in the world. So where
does that come from? What were the formative things in her life as she was
growing up?
George: She grew up an unwed mother, very poor family in
Mississippi, and the thing that saved her was what she called BTU, Baptist
Training Union. She would go to church and as young as three and four, she was
citing biblical verses, and all the sisters sitting in the front row of an
African American church, they were saying, "Oh, this girl is gifted,"
and she got this idea that she was something special.
The thing that opened her life to the outside world was learning
how to read because she had no exposure to the world outside of poverty in
Mississippi and frankly, rank discrimination in those days. It was a very rough
place to grow up, and this was her refuge.
Kenny: She was born in 1954. Is that right?
George: Yes.
Kenny: In the deep South. Post World War II. Racial
prejudice was still very, very common in that part of the country in particular.
She migrated back and forth. Talk a little bit about her experience moving
between homes.
George: Well, when she was nine, she went to follow her
mother to Milwaukee, and that turned out to not be a good experience. She was
sexually abused by relatives ... so much so that she got to thinking,
"Well, this is just the way life is." That's her statement. A real
tragedy and she wasn't prepared for this. At 14 she had an unwanted child,
unfortunately, that died in child birth.
It was just a real tragedy to be abused like that and in those
days we didn't recognize or make public sexual abuse the way we do today. It's
a very good thing for this to come out. I think the behaviors of many of our
celebrities, political leaders, and others are abominable. The treatment of
women. It's held women back from leadership roles in many sectors of our
society and something that deeply concerns me.
This case gives some visibility to how you can deal with the
incredible trauma that she overcame and turn that from a crucible into what we
call post-traumatic growth.
You've heard of post-traumatic stress syndrome. Many people come
back from wars and never recover. This is always on their mind, and ...
suicide, but I think if you could turn that trauma into growth, post-traumatic
growth, you can become a great person like Oprah. That door is open for all of
us.
Kenny: The case mentions what sounded very much to me like
a "Me too" moment. You describe in the case where Oprah's reading the
opening entry in a book--again, back to the importance of reading in her
life--and the author shares her own account of sexual abuse. That was a real
eye-opening thing for Oprah.
George: She was actually on the set of a show with a woman
named Truddi Chase. Oprah was 36 at the time; it's important to recognize she
was not a young woman, she was well into her career. Truddi Chase is actually
holding a mirror up to Oprah by reciting her own experiences, which were
virtually identical to Oprah's, and this got Oprah so upset. She left the set,
said, "Stop the cameras. Stop the cameras." They didn't stop. They
kept rolling and eventually, she came back.
This was the first time that she realized that she was not
responsible for what had happened. She realized this and that changed her whole
career. Up to that point in time, she had been, I'd say, muddling along, doing
well, but trying to be something different than she was. Earlier in her career,
she tried to emulate Barbara Walters and she said, "Looking nothing like
her," and almost the absurdity of that. And then at 36, she said, "I
can be who I am," and her message from that time forward on her show was,
"You are solely responsible for your life, and you don't have to live your
life to please others."
Oprah's weakness, which influenced her, even decades later, was
that she felt she had to be a pleaser rather than being her own person, and
when she encountered this situation with Truddi Chase, she changed. She said,
"You don't have to please people." And she delivered that message to
women and to men through her show. That gave her a sense of real power and to
the people who had heard her. From then on, her career escalated very rapidly.
Kenny: In all of your experience meeting with leaders from
all walks of life, is it fairly common to find that they have overcome [large]
odds?
George: Well, no one can say they all did, but certainly,
many of the greatest leaders of our lifetime did. Look at Nelson Mandela. Look
at Martin Luther King. Look at what they overcame. Going back in the history,
look at what Abraham Lincoln overcame.
I think those that actually have a deeper experience become more
real and no longer feel they have to put on a mask to please the world. They
can be their own person and be accepted as an authentic person.
This way of looking at life is core to my whole thought of
authentic leadership. How can you behave as an authentic leader, be who you
are, and not try to emulate Jack Welch or Oprah Winfrey or anyone else? Just be
yourself and that's good enough. You don't have to fake it to make it.
Kenny: Do a lot of people rise to the CEO level without
having figured this out? Like, they get there and they say, "How did I get
here? What do I do now?"
George: They sure do. A lot of them are scared. They try to
put on a mask to be powerful when deep inside there's maybe a scared little boy
inside that's fearing rejection, fearing being overpowered. So they overuse
their power and oftentimes reside in having a lot of money as being a sign of
success, rather than how people perceive them in their organizations, people
they work with every day.
I'd say a much greater criteria is, "Do they touch the
lives of people in their own organizations every day through their actions? Do
they set a standard of values and morals and commitment to a mission?"
That's what great leaders do. They don't try to tell you how great they are. In
fact, they know that they have a lot of weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
Oprah recognized her vulnerabilities and I think that enabled
her to become a great leader because in a sense, vulnerability is power. She
was no longer afraid of hiding these things. She's been very, very public about
what happened to her, and I think that's been one of her great sources of
strength that appeals to so many people.
Kenny: What is she like as a business leader? We see the
public face of Oprah all the time in front of the camera and she's remarkable
in that way, but she's leading a huge enterprise.
George: I haven't really engaged her much as a business
leader. I've engaged her as a human being and as a human being she's amazingly
warm and personable and real, extremely authentic, and I suspect that gets
translated in her business life.
Kenny: You can also learn a lot from a leader when they are
involved in some kind of scandal or controversy, and Oprah's had her share
because she's such a public-facing image. What would you say about the way that
she's reacted in times of controversy that involve her or her charitable
activities or things like that?
George: She's responded very well, and I think she has
every right not to kowtow to the forces that are critical of her. But she makes
mistakes and she admits her own mistakes on set. If she offends someone or says
the wrong thing, she admits it. She's very real and very authentic, so I have
nothing but the highest admiration for her.
I think we need more leaders like her who are real and own their
past, are open about it, share openly, and become role models for other people
that [show] you can be authentic and become highly successful, and you don't
have to sell out to powerful bosses and the powerful forces of money.
Kenny: She's also found interesting ways to bring her own
personal passions and the things that she cares about into her line of work.
She's been able to be a champion for causes, both in her work and also in her
private life. Is this something that other leaders should try to do?
George: Yes, and that's what makes her so successful is she
does champion it, and you know that she's there when she's promoting the idea of
reading. That's a very noble thing, and we should all do that. There's nothing
wrong with bringing our passions and things we believe in. If you're not
passionate about your work, you ought to quit and go sit on the beach. I really
do. If it's just a job, you're giving your best years of your life away.
A lot of people think you can't be successful [this way]. I find
just the opposite. People that are highly successful carry those beliefs
forward and they're reflected every day in their interactions with their
customers and their employees.
Kenny: What kind of response did you get [when you
discussed this case in class?] I'm sure people are excited to talk about it.
George: We have to get away from Oprah the celebrity and
get to Oprah the human being. There's a danger in a class like this that you
focus on the celebrity status, not the person. When you show videos, you really
focus on the human being side, and then you get down to what's real about her
and how did she deal with it. What can you learn from it and how can it
influence you? You're not going to be Oprah. You have to be Sarah or Charlie,
you know?
Kenny: Bill, thanks for joining us today.
George: Thank you, Brian. It's a privilege to be here and
thanks for the great questions.
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